Never Bringa Knife Toa Gunfight

In the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark, a big burly fellow draws a menacing looking scimitar and challenges Indiana Jones (Harrison Ford) to a duel. Unfazed, Indy pulls out a revolver and shoots him dead on the spot.

In the movie The Untouchables, one of Al Capone's goons tries to sneak up on Malone (Sean Connery) with a knife, to stab him in the back. As soon as he gets close, Malone turns around and reveals a 12-gauge pointed directly at the guy's gut. "Just like a <derogatory term for Italians>" growls Malone. "Brings a knife to a gunfight". (Of course, Malone soon discovers that he has committed the same error; he is soon turned into Swiss cheese by another of Capone's henchmen, this one wielding a Tommy-gun.)

Far too often, experts in a particular tool, especially one which is primitive, will claim that their expertise in that tool will trump any and all advantages in more modern tools - especially when the more modern tool is designed to be used by novices.

Often, refusal to use the new tools is seen as a mark of distinction and pride; the new tools, rather than a useful labor-saving device, are seen as a "crutch", and/or as only suitable for novices, weaklings, cowards, or sissies. Real men only use the old stuff. (It should be disturbing when such arguments are brought forth in a technical context, but I've heard many arguments suggesting one's virility can be determined by one's choice of programming language or OS).

The fallacy in their reasoning is that an expert armed with modern tools (or a toolbox containing both the old and new, coupled with the knowledge of which to use when) will usually outperform an expert armed only with the old stuff. One of the erroneous myths of the Samurai is that the use of ranged weapons (bow, firearms) was dishonorable; only close quarters combat was honorable. As history has it the Samurai were eventually defeated by a modern military force using current weapons and tactics.

[Note that in fact the Samurai learned to use bows and firearms and every other form of weapon as soon as it became available to them. This is why Japan became one of the most powerful militaries on the planet after the Meiji restoration and before WWI.]

It was their full-time job to master those. In the real world one is often wearing multiple hats such that they can't sit around all day mastering some newfangled gizmo shoved down their throat by a PointyHairedBoss.


Legend has it that Harrison Ford was sick the day of filming that scene, so rather than go through the fight scene, he said, "I don't feel so well; why can't I just pull my gun and waste him?". Behind schedule, the director agreed.


What about bringing a frying pan to a knife fight? http://www.thisisnorthscotland.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=149664&command=displayContent&sourceNode=149490&contentPK=12227177

"No, no, no... I told the guy a thousand times. You don't pour the hot grease from the pan down the sink. You fling it at your enemy." -- http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1441933


ranged weapons [are] dishonorable

I've heard a few times that Japanese soldiers were convinced that with enough martial arts training, they could avoid or deflect bullets with their muscles. Is this true, or an urban legend?

A quick Google search found several news stories about people in Africa who believed machine-gun bullets would turn into water: http://www.covchurch.org/cov/companion/article/0408HolyHostage.pdf http://www.reall.org/newsletter/v06/n06/bullets-into-water.html http://pw1.netcom.com/~reincke/omdurman.html http://web.pitas.com/tashlan/15m11_15m12.html

(Getting further and further OffTopic. Sorry.)


In the RealWorld, you never bring a gun to a gun fight: Always have technology at least one generation better than your opponent. (Carrying along some nasty diseases only you are immune to is a somewhat related tactic, but it only works if you intend to take land and live on it.)


But back on topic: many tactical instructors will tell you that if you are going to carry one firearm then you might as well carry two. Having a backup is better than not; to have and not need is far better than to need and not have. Ask the guy holding the knife.

Stuff a few grenades down your briefs also, just in case.

Very phunny, but not applicable. If I am going to go through all the expense, time, and hassle to complete my CCW training and certification, apply and pay for a license, buy a sidearm and maintain manual-of-arms proficiency with it (that means spending money on ammo on a regular basis, cleaning it, YaddaYaddaYadda), buy a carry rig that fits me, buy clothes that conceal my rig and prevent it from "printing" when I bend over or walk -- then what is the Big Deal(tm) with carrying a second pistol, particularly when the main warm piece is a 1911 .45 ACP full frame and the backup is a tiny 9mm in a Kahr?

Oh, by the way -- always carry a knife, too. Regardless of anything else, a knife is far too valuable a utility to be without.

Wow. You must be trying to compensate for what I can only assume is an unusually -- probably to the point of being medically interesting -- small dick.

Yes, yours. This is why you find it necessary to be such an asswipe, one presumes?

You play with concealed weapons and live ammo in public places and yet somehow I am the asswipe??? *boggle*

Who is playing? I am deadly serious, in a quite literal way. My manual-of-arms training in self defense includes putting my own life on the line to protect others. Even those who belittle my choice to be prepared for this eventuality. How are you prepared? Perhaps you have some witty quip to fling at the armed antagonist? [cough]


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