I pulled out 20 fish; perch and a couple catfish. I even caught one with the hook thru its belly, by mistake. I felt kind'a proud of myself.
When my mom gathered me up to take them home, I learned Aunt Jackie had caught 35. She had given me her second-best spot.
-- PhlIp
See also: StagesOfCivilization
So forget all the histories, my dear friend
Great advice, but not easy when these myths have been taught to us as if this history was the RealWorld.
A gorilla called Ishmael, also has some helpful insights which may help us all to forget.(IshmaelBook) Ishmael calls the conquerors takers, the people who remained close to the earth the leavers.
It is concerning how much of our day to day habits (e.g FortyHourWeek) are based on the myths that the takers have created. The primary myth being that is our purpose to conquer the world. Prior to this myth, we lived in harmony with nature, the agricultural revolution provided the fuel for this myth to take. If we can unlearn that myth what else falls away?
Another interesting angle is that although HistoryIsWrittenByTheConquerors, the leavers did influence history. An example is the garden of eden story. DanielQuinn has a very convincing argument that this was actually a leaver?s story. It was the leavers who were the external observers and story tellers in this case. Leavers watched as tribes emerged believing the had the knowledge of good and evil and began to conquer the world. It may have been written down and modified by the conquerors but the conquerors would not have called it TheFall?.
DanielQuinn also makes that observation that our culture (taker culture) believes history began 4000 years ago around the time of the Fall, not 40,000 or 400,000 or 4,000,000 years ago. The Story of B, calls this the GreatForgetting?.
The first written documents appear about 4000 years ago, so that's about the earliest time period once can investigate by means other than digging up pots and tombs, hence the start of history there. It's no coincidence that this same time period is when the first priest-kings rose to great power, but let's not pretend that means nobody is interested in anyone but them. We know a reasonable amount about people before them, and would love to learn more, if only more materials were available.
And, speaking of documents, one of the Sumerian texts is the story of a schoolboy whose father bribed the teacher with dinner in order to improve his grades. One of the defining works in Greek Mythology was written by a humble farmer, and it is full of information on what a farmer's life was like. Just as two examples of the many things the "leavers" left us besides Eden. All in all, it was quite as much as the conquerors, I assure you, and has not gone unnoticed.
What insights are gained if we could determine whether the conquerors judged themselves to be morally superior, before or after they began exterminating primitive tribes?
One of the ideas being explored on this page is that all our behaviours based on a drive to conquer the world are flawed. Part of this idea leads to questioning history, if indeed HistoryIsWrittenByTheConquerors.
What insights are gained if we determine that judging ourselves as morally superior is a big mistake?''
You'd first have to prove it. And in the endeavour, you'd have to disprove the masses of evidence we do have which disprove the notion that past societies were our moral equals.
Same thing with any conclusions based on the "insight" that we have some "drive to conquer the world". First, prove that such a thing exists. And remember, you're not talking about American culture, or Anglo-American cultures, or even Western European cultures, you're talking about all cultures for the past several millennia.
no proof but maybe some clues
There is an alternative to the conquering paradigm. A quote from 'Aikido and the harmony of nature' ISBN 0877738556 presents this well, "Instead of exploring the mysteries of this world we are attempting to redesign perfection to suit the imperfect"
Also, I am not saying all cultures today are takers (almost! - over 95% of the population I'd guess, both East and West. Tribal cultures with no desire to proliferate their beliefs are not included).
See LoveIsNotAnInstinct, and all the mis-interpretations of history it repeats to us.
Care to name some?
To be sure, conquerors wrote their own histories, and often didn't care too much for accuracy. But these are looked at skeptically, and are not the only materials which have come down to us. To claim that we know nothing about the ancient commoners is simply an out-and-out lie, and worse still one apparently with an agenda, to claim there was an early utopia despite lack of evidence. Well, friends, the worst way of seeking the truth is to start by denying all the facts.
All I am claiming is that our belief that we should conquer the cruel side of nature because we know best is insane. I actually agree with DanielQuinn that it is leading to the destruction of our world.
The point of the original section:
Listen to your own inner voice first, your own feelings first, and your own relationship with nature (and the natural people in it) first. Attend to history in history class, but do not let it taint your understanding of your own connection to the world.
-- PhlIp