Fine-grained versioning is a GoodThing which should be built into every operating system component. Now obviously, it raises some fundamental questions. Even after you delete the last live reference to an object, there are past versions of other objects which keep references to that object. So how do you collect garbage when you're keeping previous versions of every object around? It turns out not to be such a problem.
Let's understand fine-grained versioning first. That kind of versioning means that every object keeps track of previous versions of itself. And refs keep track of which versions of an object they're pointing to. The reason things have to be that way is to prevent an object update from spawning an update of every object that holds a reference to it, and every object that holds a reference to any of them, and so on all the way up the graph.
So here's the algorithm.
This requires two passes.
A version of an object becomes garbage when none of the references to the object grant that version of it a reprieval. If you have an object with three versions, and 2 references to that object, and neither reference has a condition on it that reprieves the oldest version, then that oldest version is garbage and gets collected. In the process of freeing the doomed version of the object, the references to the object get cauterized so that they no longer provide access to the oldest version.
The same thing works for whole objects instead of individual versions. An object can get garbage collected when none of its versions have gotten a reprieval. Naturally, the object can't be live for that to apply.
What this is is a fine-grained OO ResourceManagement scheme. An admittedly non-deterministic scheme but that's not a major consideration so long as hard drive capacities keep increasing.
How does an object keep track of the transactions and changesets it belongs to? Who has access to which transaction/changesets? How do they access them? How do you reconcile an OO cap-based model of the data where you have objects and versions with an FP model where you have operations, transactions and changesets? -- rk [Irrelevant discussion of ReferentialTransparency snipped.]
Well, I'm fairly certain no one else here is that interested in the topic, let alone doing anything about it. So if you're interested in a discussion then take a look at OperatingSystemsDesignPrinciples and tell me what exactly you want for requirements. -- RK
Oh, you never know. For instance, I'm interested in these topics, I just haven't had anything to say yet. I even worked on something along these lines last year, although not as ambitious as what I believe you have in mind (and thus probably not interesting to talk about). -- dm
I'd be interested to know if there's a way to do versioning without having references be primitive objects that keep track of multiple versions of containers. And without having to update the entire graph for each write. IOW, whether my solution is unique. Also, I wouldn't mind knowing the extent and breadth of other projects in this area.
I'd also be interested to know how you handled transactions and changesets, if you did. I'm strongly leaning towards making them higher level objects. Mostly that's because an object can be both a movie and versioned, it can be both a movie and secure, but it can't be both a movie and a changeset. That tells me changesets are structure types, not orthogonal attributes.
And I'd be especially interested in any concept, feature or concern I missed completely. -- rk
Not sure. The general ambition is one that I've thought of as important for a long time, but there are tricky aspects to it that I've never quite settled in my own mind, unless one just offers various options rather than guarantees and hopes for the best, which obviously is rather less than ideal. I haven't done a really thorough literature search, but what I have read I tended to disagree with in one or more design details. But I'll let you know if I spot something. -- dm
You've got me intrigued. What do you refer to by options rather than guarantees? At the level of changesets, I offer only options. Any guarantees I'd offer would be illegitimate restrictions. At the level of versions, I don't see any kind of options to offer. But when you're fulfilling over a dozen different design principles, there aren't gonna be any options.
Want to know something neat? My object instantiation method is "link to version 0 of that other object", where "that other object" is any object. Branching is copying and copying is instantiating. Gotta love prototypes!
This is a perfect example of not having options. Because without branching, there are options, all of them ugly. You can either have caps know what kind of object to instantiate or have objects know what kind of cap to link themselves with. Now there are neither options nor ugliness. And oh how I love it! -- rk
With any luck, maybe RK will [...] rediscover the material published by Sergiu Simmel and Ivan Godard more than ten years ago in connection with their Kala work (for example, http://www.ipipan.gda.pl/~marek/objects/faq/oo-faq-S-8.14.2.1.html, http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=117972&dl=ACM&coll=portal, and http://www.omg.org/docs/1992/92-04-05.pdf). The difference, of course, is that they actually built something. -- AnonymousCoward
Thanks for the references to Kala. Some of us do want to build something. --dh
I find this page highly unorganized and seemingly irrelevant for the topic at hand, which is versioning. It seems to focus on one method or dogma and pretend it's the OneTrueWay.
I would have liked to have seen the "irrelevant" ReferentialTransparency discussion, as I'm sure it was eluding to the fact that immutable objects (and purely functional languages) make fine-grained versioning effortless. The only problem with such a system that I can see is how to make things like hash tables and other data structures that require mutability work. I wonder if LinearObjects? could fix this, or not.
I get the distinct feeling that the author of most of this discussion has never implemented the dominate system of discussion (fine-grain versioning w/ X seconds version reprieval, etc.). I also don't see any mention of precisely why fine-grained versioning is a good thing. There is a lot of rabble about "interaction designer", yet whoever is making that rant has already made the mistake of discussing fine-grained versioning (an implementation detail, not an interaction or end-user one).
Versioning is an end-user mechanism. It's a way for humans to understand change through time, branches, requirements (or whatever the criteria may be). All discussion about keeping X versions after the latest (and how "insecure" it is) vs. keeping X seconds after the latest is irrelevant. It's putting the cart before the horse. Those are implementation details and have nothing to do with interfacing issues or versioning that would be meaningful to humans.
I believe a version system should be orthogonal to garbage collection. For an example of what I would consider a good system, imagine this: pretend we have a system that is 100% immutable. When an object is changed it must be copied (not as bad as it sounds since we can share structure). Versioning is completely arbitrary and defined in any way the end-user would like. What versioning means in this implementation is that the end-user/application simply holds a reference to an object, they make a copy (modify the object) and retain however many references (versions) they desire. Versioning is still "fine-grained", but in the sense that the user and application dictate at which level versions are needed. The GC and OS make no assumptions on how long objects should last. The OS simply creates objects and the GC manages memory. Period.
Versioning as detailed previously (where the GC is aware of versions) is, IMO, not a good thing. Certain applications need extensive version history while others need no versioning. The previous system seems like a OneSizeFitsAll type of deal or an arbitrary limit. It would surely complicate the GC and create inefficiency. Plus it does not solve the hash table problem that an immutable system has, either. You can't simply copy hash tables to retain versions as such.
--tw
Sorry but if you think that implementation details don't matter to an abstraction when it's been proved otherwise ... the words 'arrogant' and 'dumb' come to mind. However you might like otherwise, versioning creates leaks through the abstraction layer. The argument above is about whether those leaks should be resource-based or security-based. Since security is very well-behaved in my system and resource management is not, I'd rather there be no security leaks at all. As for you, you obviously have no appreciation for either since the scheme you propose doesn't have any well-defined behaviour.
As for implementation, I've got higher priorities than adding it to my capability framework. Like resolving versioning security conflicts, adding quotas, and adding monads. Compared to any of those, I consider even the "complicated" GC scheme I proposed to be straightforward and trivial. And then again, this entire framework isn't even a priority. What have you done lately? -- RK
See also GarbageCollection, AgingPointer